![]() ![]() At one point, he even asked me to join the band – it was almost as if he thought it would help us get through what we were going through. Greg needed to go and do The Black Queen it was obviously important and necessary for him. “I felt confident that I could make a great Dillinger album,” Ben tells us, “but I wasn’t sure that everyone else felt the same. “I guess I found out how many times I could vomit,” smirks Greg. At that time, Ben was already working on the songs for what would become Dissociation. Last year, when Hammer talked to Greg about his latest band – The Black Queen, featuring NIN and DEP associates Joshua Eustis and Steve Alexander – he told us cryptically that he didn’t know how many times he could keep putting his fingers down his throat to make himself vomit for Dillinger. Observers would have been vaguely aware of the disharmony within the DEP camp at that time. Because we were both too stupid to recognise that, we let that run amok for a really long time.” And until you correct that thing in yourself that allows you to view things with a healthier mindset, the person you rely on bizarrely starts to look like your enemy through your twisted lens. Me and Ben found ourselves in this thing that had become bigger than us, and became completely reliant on each other. You become very controlling, and the only way to feel safe is to make sure you don’t have to rely on anyone else. ![]() When you have people close to you, and those people hurt you, you begin to become paranoid about other people that maybe you shouldn’t be. “I don’t want to get into specifics,” Greg says, “but there was certainly some tension over who had their hands on the steering wheel. At that point, if you’d have asked if everything was alright between us, then I think we would have said no.” “It was the climax of us being the most extreme versions of ourselves in terms of self-destruction. “I thought that would be the last album,” says Ben. My biggest fear as an artist is misrepresentation it would crush me for this record to be a side-story, and if all you’re going to do is look for clues as to why we’re breaking up, there’s not a lot that pertains to that, or to mine and Ben’s relationship, on this record.” When JK Rowling decided she wasn’t going to write any more Harry Potter books, nobody asked her to spell out why. “That’s you! This break-up is causing people to look for a lot of shit. “We aren’t the ones that want to talk about us breaking up,” he says, taking a breath. And Greg’s annoyance is directed squarely at Metal Hammer. They’re both sitting in a featureless dressing room backstage at Reading festival, fresh from their raging warm-up show three days earlier at London’s Old Blue Last. But neither Greg nor Ben are onstage at this moment. The reason they have been revered for the last two decades is down to their drive to push themselves mentally, physically and emotionally to create some of the most awe-inspiring, challenging and confrontational music and performances in our world. If you’ve ever seen The Dillinger Escape Plan live, this scene will be familiar to you.
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